on whether or not the faa and government have a choice. >> we believe the faa has the discretion not to furlough the air traffic controllers, historically have never, ever in any situation been furloughs before because the frontline safety professionals keep the planes in the air, get them to the ground and keep travelers moving, keep shipping moving and that is critical to our economy, does not have to be this way. >> we believe the way their plan is constructed is going to maximize the disruption assuming it rules out and disruptions occurred. not a good situation. rich: the obama administration says the altar of the faa staff is personnel workers, the only way to comply with the numbers of these automatic but it cuts is you have to furlough air traffic controllers. back to you. liz: that to me seems everybody is overblown mess. what do you think? rich: it depends on where you go. when i started with a flight control system where there are no delays. differentiating if this is delayed because of weather or if jfk they are doing tarmac work or the wind at laguardia. the number of di